Comments on: Clearcut for the Climate!!! http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/2009/10/clearcut-for-the-climate/ Carbon Regulatory Offset Committee Business Livelihood Online Group Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:54:41 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: feathertickle http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/2009/10/clearcut-for-the-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-31 feathertickle Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:59:19 +0000 http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/?p=52#comment-31 I've read up a little on this carbon offsets stuff, since good ole' Al Gore supposedly uses them all the time. Yet I have to study more about this issue. Clearcuts can actually be beneficial in some certain stands of forests that are diseased too heavily. Or depending on what variety of trees are growing in the area that is being planned to be harvested. There is such a big scope to this issue though. Companies who plan on doing the work, since some are better than others, etc. Trees really are renewable and grow back in areas they previously were beforehand and require minimal care with no irrigation as farmed products like corn do. As long as they leave corridors and strips of forests, and do not clearcut like crazy, I would rather see this than forest fires. Which too fill up the skies with Co2... So I can't be totally against forest management, either. I've read up a little on this carbon offsets stuff, since good ole' Al Gore supposedly uses them all the time. Yet I have to study more about this issue. Clearcuts can actually be beneficial in some certain stands of forests that are diseased too heavily. Or depending on what variety of trees are growing in the area that is being planned to be harvested. There is such a big scope to this issue though. Companies who plan on doing the work, since some are better than others, etc. Trees really are renewable and grow back in areas they previously were beforehand and require minimal care with no irrigation as farmed products like corn do. As long as they leave corridors and strips of forests, and do not clearcut like crazy, I would rather see this than forest fires. Which too fill up the skies with Co2… So I can't be totally against forest management, either.

]]> By: Joseph http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/2009/10/clearcut-for-the-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-29 Joseph Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:07:36 +0000 http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/?p=52#comment-29 You mean like you just did? You mean like you just did?

]]> By: unleadpencil http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/2009/10/clearcut-for-the-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-25 unleadpencil Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:02:35 +0000 http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/?p=52#comment-25 To the naysayers, open your minds...this is exactly what's happening to the legislation and how taxpayers are getting hoodwinked while polluters keep on doing what they're doing. There's nothing in an offset to encourage stopping or slowing or changing a polluter's current activity. Sometimes it takes a simple site like this to make the point. Currently companies like Massey Coal can buy green credits on the market produced by other companies, they're not incented to alter their behavior one iota. Thanks for what you do. To the naysayers, open your minds…this is exactly what's happening to the legislation and how taxpayers are getting hoodwinked while polluters keep on doing what they're doing. There's nothing in an offset to encourage stopping or slowing or changing a polluter's current activity. Sometimes it takes a simple site like this to make the point. Currently companies like Massey Coal can buy green credits on the market produced by other companies, they're not incented to alter their behavior one iota. Thanks for what you do.

]]> By: pinot22 http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/2009/10/clearcut-for-the-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-24 pinot22 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:07:03 +0000 http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/?p=52#comment-24 This is hilarious, and oh so true. Sierra Pacific Industries is not going to change their faux-certified clearcut logging practices one bit, and if we don't join together as citizens, the State of California may very well let them sell these faux-offsets on the carbon market. Sure, offsets are the lowest-cost solution to solving pollution, and believe me people, this is a case where we will get what we pay for. The lower the cost, the less effective the solution. This is hilarious, and oh so true. Sierra Pacific Industries is not going to change their faux-certified clearcut logging practices one bit, and if we don't join together as citizens, the State of California may very well let them sell these faux-offsets on the carbon market. Sure, offsets are the lowest-cost solution to solving pollution, and believe me people, this is a case where we will get what we pay for. The lower the cost, the less effective the solution.

]]> By: Joe http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/2009/10/clearcut-for-the-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-23 Joe Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:41:09 +0000 http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/?p=52#comment-23 Don't present any facts. Just demonize. Lenin did it so well, and look what he achieved......... Don't present any facts. Just demonize. Lenin did it so well, and look what he achieved………

]]> By: Name http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/2009/10/clearcut-for-the-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Name Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:33:31 +0000 http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/?p=52#comment-22 What a CROC- this has got to be a joke, this web site can not be serious! What a CROC- this has got to be a joke, this web site can not be serious!

]]> By: justinfelt http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/2009/10/clearcut-for-the-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-21 justinfelt Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:41:46 +0000 http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/?p=52#comment-21 Quick point: Climate Action Reserve, the leading offset standard in the US, does not allow reforestation projects to be eligible within 10 years of previous harvesting (among a number of other requirements). Google it, and find much more.<br><br>My point is that offsets are a way of incentivizing GHG reduction, and if implemented properly, are a very effective way of bringing in forestry and agriculture into the capped arena. <br><br>The idea that corporations need to do internal reductions no one disputes, but no one should also dispute the need to find lowest cost solutions for reducing GHG emissions, of which offsets are one way.<br><br>This website takes an oversimplified take on a very complex issue. For those entities striving to create climate change policy that could garner wider support, this sort of website is counterproductive in my view, by creating fuel for enemies of climate change legislation in general. Come to the table, and find a workable solution that get 60 votes in the senate. Otherwise, this effort is wasted. Quick point: Climate Action Reserve, the leading offset standard in the US, does not allow reforestation projects to be eligible within 10 years of previous harvesting (among a number of other requirements). Google it, and find much more.

My point is that offsets are a way of incentivizing GHG reduction, and if implemented properly, are a very effective way of bringing in forestry and agriculture into the capped arena.

The idea that corporations need to do internal reductions no one disputes, but no one should also dispute the need to find lowest cost solutions for reducing GHG emissions, of which offsets are one way.

This website takes an oversimplified take on a very complex issue. For those entities striving to create climate change policy that could garner wider support, this sort of website is counterproductive in my view, by creating fuel for enemies of climate change legislation in general. Come to the table, and find a workable solution that get 60 votes in the senate. Otherwise, this effort is wasted.

]]> By: eco girl http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/2009/10/clearcut-for-the-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-15 eco girl Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:53:05 +0000 http://www.thecroc.org/crocblog/?p=52#comment-15 This is so stupid! Clear cutting will never ever in a million plus years be good for the environment! This is so stupid! Clear cutting will never ever in a million plus years be good for the environment!

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